Burden of Proof
Burden of Proof is a True Crime Podcast run by two paralegals, who happen to be generations apart! Elysia (Gen X) and Savannah (Gen Z) met at their law firm, and discovered a lifelong bond and mutual love for true crime. Come with them as they tell each other a new case each week, and use their paralegal experience to breakdown the legalities of what happens when the criminals get caught!
Episodes

21 hours ago
21 hours ago
Join us in a little Pride history lesson as we cover the lives and deaths of two great men that played an integral part in the LGBTQ+ community! As Mayor of San Francisco and ally to the community, George Moscone used his position and privilege to open doors for many who had always been oppressed and under represented. As San Francisco city supervisor, Harvey Milk was the first openly gay man to hold an elected position in the U.S. When George had an opportunity to turn the board of city supervisors in their parties favor, former fellow city supervisor, Dan White, claimed to see it as a personal betrayal. Was Dan really just the depressed and desperate man his defense team claimed him to be? Or was Dan quick to react with violence out of a lack of regard to the lives of those different than him? Tune in and decide for yourself as Elysia and Savannah give it their all! The facts, the eww's, the awe's, at least one dad joke, and some tears!
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Sources:
Murder at City Hall: The killing of Mayor George Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk
https://www.sfgate.com/health/article/Myth-of-the-Twinkie-defense-The-verdict-in-2511152.php
https://advance.lexis.com/documentpage?pdmfid=1000516&pddocfullpath=%2Fshared%2Fdocument%2Fcases%2Furn%3AcontentItem%3A3S11-SJR0-003C-R37H-00008-00&pdcontentcomponentid=506037&config=00JAA0NDgwMGE5Mi01ODYxLTRkZDEtODQ0OS1mYmEyN2M3ZmZmZWQKAFBvZENhdGFsb2fyUIbYd2jFgdWUbISiHcjK&ecomp=8sm_k&earg=sr1&prid=00cf44dc-548e-49f8-8e4a-e90060e66e41&crid=2b99cafc-c901-458f-8d3b-711848efdef7
https://milkfoundation.org/about/harvey-milk-biography
https://cultureofoneworld.org/breaking-news/human-rights/legacy-of-the-late-sf-mayor-george-moscone-haunts-ghost-light/1337/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Moscone
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_White
https://www.history.com/news/what-were-the-white-night-riots
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Thursday Jun 01, 2023
Case Number 42: The Love Has Won Cult
Thursday Jun 01, 2023
Thursday Jun 01, 2023
Pack a bag and some snacks as Savannah takes us on a trip across three states! The Love Has Won cult, also known as "Mother God cult," was a controversial spiritual group founded by Amy Carlson, who referred to herself as "Mother God" or "Mother Earth." The cult gained attention for its unconventional beliefs and practices, which were often described as a mix of New Age spirituality, conspiracy theories, and pseudoscience. Gasp and "OMG" along with Elysia as we find out how this "loving" group's story ends in death and the arrests of several members.
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Sources:
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/love-has-won-amy-carlson-mother-god-1254916/amp/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/love-has-won-cult-amy-carlson-b1969246.html
https://open.spotify.com/episode/0r74HYf0TxmPR0r4bj1Bko?si=4OK2H1NNQhSgknObN3TWeA
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Thursday May 25, 2023
Case Number 41: Bobby Lee Cutts, Jr., Officer Elbow
Thursday May 25, 2023
Thursday May 25, 2023
Many were shocked when officer Bobby Lee Cutts, Jr. told the FBI that he knew where, his former girlfriend, Jessie Davis, was nine days after she went missing. Others were in disbelief when he claimed her death was accidental. Follow along as Elysia tells Bobby's tale of an amazingly strong elbow thrust that took the life of Jessie and her unborn child. Join in with Savannah's bewilderment as we dissect exactly how a trained police officer fails to follow the law after such an "accident".
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Sources:
https://law.justia.com/cases/ohio/fifth-district-court-of-appeals/2009/2009-ohio-3563.html
https://casetext.com/case/cutts-v-smith-1
https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2007/06/27/suspect-s-life-full-broken/23356961007/
https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2008/02/cutts_trial_resumes_with_testi.html
https://www.cleveland19.com/story/6716896/cutts-wife-files-for-divorce/
https://latestinbollywood.com/taylor-giavasis-parents/
https://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/02/27/cutts.sentence/index.html
https://www.cantonrep.com/story/news/local/canton/2017/06/13/bobby-cutts-jr-i-was/20606717007/
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Thursday May 18, 2023
Case Number 40: Susan Walters, The Woman Who Killed Her Hitman
Thursday May 18, 2023
Thursday May 18, 2023
Susan Walters thought she found her perfect match with her husband, Mike. Unfortunately, it didn't take Mike long to show his true colors. After 17 long years, Susan was ready for her ever after without Mike. Never did she imagine the lengths Mike would go to in an effort to stop her from getting it. Join Savannah and Elysia as they cheer on Susan in this rare bad ass survivor tale!
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Sources:
https://casecompanion.multco.us/
Susan Walters Comes Face-to-Face with Her Hitman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wV_ByXpRbk
https://blurredbylines.com/articles/susan-kuhnhausen-walters-survivor-hitman-portland/
https://www.badassoftheweek.com/kuhnhausen
https://www.wweek.com/news/2016/08/17/a-hit-man-came-to-kill-susan-kuhnhausen-she-survived-he-didnt/
https://allthatsinteresting.com/susan-kuhnhausen
https://apnews.com/article/5b174483777f307a5728f6eb666917d5
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Thursday May 11, 2023
Case Number 39: Rod Ferrell, The Vampire Cult Murderer
Thursday May 11, 2023
Thursday May 11, 2023
Take a peek into the world of vampirism as Elysia and Savannah fail miserably at talking about it seriously. Rod Ferrell on the other hand, took it very seriously and grew to believe that he could become immortal by taking life. After murdering Richard and Ruth Wendorf, Rod's vampire family questioned if he did it to become immortal or to save their daughter, Heather, from abuse. Either way, the family too would pay the consequences instead of living out their dream in New Orleans building their vampire "house".
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Sources:
Deadly Cults: Vampire Cult Season 1, Episode 1 on Oxygen: True Crime
https://www.nwfdailynews.com/story/news/crime/2019/11/30/mother-of-vampire-cult-killer-ive-changed/2172372007/
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-2006-12-17-wendorf17-story.html
https://www.dailycommercial.com/story/news/local/eustis/2020/04/11/vampire-killer-keeps-his-life-sentence/1367922007/
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Thursday May 04, 2023
Case Number 38: Sarah Boone, The Suitcase Sleeper
Thursday May 04, 2023
Thursday May 04, 2023
In today's episode, Savannah brings us a twist on a domestic violence classic. Possibly bored during the pandemic of 2020, known alcoholics Sarah Boone and Jorge Torres, played a tragic game of hide and seek. After zipping Jorge up into a suitcase, Sarah refused to let him out and later claimed she didn't realize he couldn't get out and that she fell asleep only to awaken in the morning to find Jorge unalive. Tune in as Savannah breaks down Sarah's claims and discusses the legal drama leading to a postponed trial while Elysia continues to beg the question why are two 40 something year old people playing dangerous hide and seek!?
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Video Mentioned with Disclaimer:
Man Dies While Begging for Help After Girlfriend Allegedly Locked Him in a Suitcase (VIDEO)
Sources:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/woman-boyfriend-suitcase-film-death-b2300624.html
https://www.courttv.com/trending/fl-v-sarah-boone-suitcase-murder-trial/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1u1-i_ubeU
https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/southeast/suitcase-murder-trial-postponed/
https://www.courttv.com/news/sarah-boone-accused-in-boyfriends-suitcase-death-pens-letter-to-attorney-and-judge/
https://www.reddit.com/r/CourtTVCases/comments/10h3g0z/correspondence_sarah_boone_to_attorney/
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Monday May 01, 2023
Case Number 37: The Kananen Family, Part Two
Monday May 01, 2023
Monday May 01, 2023
Tune in for this roller coaster of a second installment on the Kananen family tragedy! Elysia does her best to concisely piece together the most relevant and wild circumstantial facts that the prosecution used against one member of the family in the disappearance of their parents. We know it's a long one, but hold on to your butts and maybe even your ears for Savannah will scream or squeal at every twist and turn!
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Sources:
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-2010-03-12-os-daughter-accused-killing-mom-20100312-story.html
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/crime/2010/03/04/murder-trial-begins-for-orlando/7311032007/
https://www.heraldtribune.com/story/news/2003/12/26/money-seen-as-possible-motive-in-slaying-of-mother/28780967007/
https://law.justia.com/cases/arizona/supreme-court/1965/1310-0.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2003/12/26/siblings-suspected-after-2nd-parent-missing/bd300901-e286-4fd3-8383-01057eaaad02/
https://www.courttv.com/trials/fl-v-kananen-2010/
Fear of Our Father by Lisa Bonnice and Stacey M. Kananen
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Thursday Apr 27, 2023
Case Number 37: The Kananen Family, Part One
Thursday Apr 27, 2023
Thursday Apr 27, 2023
**********WARNING: Child abuse detailed from 18:56 to 30:22**********
"You never know what happens behind closed doors" is an understatement when referring to the Kananen family. Join Elysia and Savannah for this tragic story of a family plagued with abuse, lies, resentment, and crime. In this first of two episodes, Elysia details what it was like to be a member of the Kananen family and Savannah roots for love to win!
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Sources:
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-2010-03-12-os-daughter-accused-killing-mom-20100312-story.html
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/crime/2010/03/04/murder-trial-begins-for-orlando/7311032007/
https://www.heraldtribune.com/story/news/2003/12/26/money-seen-as-possible-motive-in-slaying-of-mother/28780967007/
https://law.justia.com/cases/arizona/supreme-court/1965/1310-0.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2003/12/26/siblings-suspected-after-2nd-parent-missing/bd300901-e286-4fd3-8383-01057eaaad02/
https://www.courttv.com/trials/fl-v-kananen-2010/
Fear of Our Father by Lisa Bonnice and Stacey M. Kananen
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Thursday Apr 20, 2023
Case Number 36: Darren Mack, Reno’s Most Wanted
Thursday Apr 20, 2023
Thursday Apr 20, 2023
What's not to admire about a Father exercising his rights for the sake of his relationship with his daughter? Murder for one. Attempted murder, two. Lying about your assets, three. The list goes on and on when it comes to Darren Mack! Tune in to get the full list of reasons Savannah and Elysia left this recording session feeling really gross!
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Sources:
https://kileystruecrime.squarespace.com/kileystruecrimeaddict-blog/the-crimes-of-darren-mack
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/caught-in-the-crossfire-23-02-2007/
https://www.rgj.com/story/news/crime/2016/06/12/10-years-later-reno-judge-reflects-assassination-attempt/85708968/
https://thecinemaholic.com/charla-mack-murder-where-is-darren-mack-now/
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Thursday Apr 13, 2023
Case Number 35: The Disappearance of Shannon Matthews
Thursday Apr 13, 2023
Thursday Apr 13, 2023
****************WARNING: This case involves child victims*****************
After 9 year old Shannon failed to return home from school, her mother, Karen Matthews, filed a missing persons report to authorities. One of the largest search parties to ever happen in the UK was conducted. However, it was a tip from a concerned family member of one of the perpetrators that lead detectives in the right direction. Who was responsible for Shannon's disappearance and why would they take only one of the Matthew's children? Detectives believe they find the answers but some still believe there's more to this story. Listen along as Elysia horrifies Savannah with the actions of all the adults involved and a discussion on the importance of sticking to the facts in true crime.
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Sources:
Shannon Matthews - The Mother Of All Lies - 2008 - Documentary
https://www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk/article/the-kidnapping-of-shannon-matthews
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-shannon-timeline/timeline-the-disappearance-of-shannon-matthews-idUKGOR15803820080411
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/showbiz-tv/what-happened-shannon-matthews-mum-23382738
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/tv/who-karen-matthews-accomplice-michael-25695597
Shannon Matthews - What Happened Next - 2017 - Karen Matthews
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/shannon-matthews-disappearance-new-doco-reveals-how-mum-kidnapped-her-own-daughter/AIREZNM3LQJJJGW3Y2JFFYNUCY/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4210912/Shannon-Matthews.html
Missing Shannon's Stepfather Denies Involvement
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Karen Matthews is sentenced to 8 years for kidnap
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